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International team player attributes

Postby Steve Camber » Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:09 pm

All this talk of hacking got me going, cos I'm a hacker at heart, and no stranger to hex ;)

Anyway there's something I've always wanted to know, and that's the stats of the default teams, so I tracked them down with some old skool camberman magic !

Discuss.....



TEAM NAME : TEAM A

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Name : Fisher
Position : KEEPER
Height : 182
Weight : 86
Stamina : 198
Resilience : 139
Pace : 149
Agility : 195
Agression : 195 (5)
Flair : 22
Passing : 135
Shooting : 95
Defending : 123
Keeping : 181
Shirtnum : 1
Morale : 226
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Name : Simpson
Position : DEFENDER
Height : 183
Weight : 82
Stamina : 198
Resilience : 190
Pace : 154
Agility : 199
Agression : 199 (1)
Flair : 18
Passing : 145
Shooting : 50
Defending : 179
Keeping : 110
Shirtnum : 6
Morale : 84
Name : Curtis
Position : DEFENDER
Height : 179
Weight : 78
Stamina : 162
Resilience : 183
Pace : 172
Agility : 159
Agression : 159 (41)
Flair : 32
Passing : 147
Shooting : 87
Defending : 172
Keeping : 64
Shirtnum : 3
Morale : 5
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Name : Lindsey
Position : DEFENDER
Height : 185
Weight : 91
Stamina : 193
Resilience : 190
Pace : 197
Agility : 121
Agression : 121 (79)
Flair : 13
Passing : 127
Shooting : 62
Defending : 156
Keeping : 76
Shirtnum : 2
Morale : 35
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Name : Cox
Position : DEFENDER
Height : 181
Weight : 83
Stamina : 175
Resilience : 190
Pace : 179
Agility : 186
Agression : 186 (14)
Flair : 41
Passing : 148
Shooting : 127
Defending : 191
Keeping : 73
Shirtnum : 5
Morale : 85
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Name : Wells
Position : MIDFIELD
Height : 182
Weight : 73
Stamina : 185
Resilience : 200
Pace : 200
Agility : 200
Agression : 200 (0)
Flair : 0
Passing : 182
Shooting : 110
Defending : 119
Keeping : 114
Shirtnum : 4
Morale : 88
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Name : Scott
Position : MIDFIELD
Height : 177
Weight : 68
Stamina : 198
Resilience : 178
Pace : 200
Agility : 199
Agression : 199 (1)
Flair : 0
Passing : 176
Shooting : 65
Defending : 136
Keeping : 108
Shirtnum : 8
Morale : 79
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Name : Barratt
Position : MIDFIELD
Height : 178
Weight : 82
Stamina : 186
Resilience : 159
Pace : 196
Agility : 170
Agression : 170 (30)
Flair : 2
Passing : 169
Shooting : 87
Defending : 132
Keeping : 98
Shirtnum : 7
Morale : 26
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Name : Curtis
Position : FORWARD
Height : 165
Weight : 74
Stamina : 200
Resilience : 192
Pace : 200
Agility : 158
Agression : 158 (42)
Flair : 19
Passing : 116
Shooting : 135
Defending : 100
Keeping : 69
Shirtnum : 11
Morale : 88
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Name : Barber
Position : FORWARD
Height : 169
Weight : 69
Stamina : 173
Resilience : 192
Pace : 197
Agility : 200
Agression : 200 (0)
Flair : 25
Passing : 162
Shooting : 189
Defending : 125
Keeping : 94
Shirtnum : 10
Morale : 88
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Name : Nicholls
Position : FORWARD
Height : 178
Weight : 87
Stamina : 146
Resilience : 188
Pace : 193
Agility : 188
Agression : 188 (12)
Flair : 9
Passing : 169
Shooting : 189
Defending : 138
Keeping : 97
Shirtnum : 9
Morale : 88
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Postby Stainy » Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:22 pm

Thats prety nifty there Camber!

so where`s Team B ?? and what are the figures in brackets then ??
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Postby Robert Swift » Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:29 pm

ELITE work Camberman!!!

I have wanted to know these for ages. I am going to transfer these to a spreadsheet. I believe there is an optimum team selection that will suit all tactics. Can you add R.A.Hunt and M.I.Barker? I'd like to propose an 'ultimate' team selection which maybe we could all agree on as the default for tournaments.

Also....any chance you could settle a 13 year old dispute?

I'd like to know the Pace and Stamina of N.J.Sharp (from France) and R.Gregory (from Spain). Both are Forwards. James Lockerbie and I have a bitter dispute over who was the faster player - one which until now could never be resolved!

Incidentally it might be nice to see the stats of the Div 1 team (inc R.Shaw) as I know some players prefer this to the International?

Oooooh...you've opened a can of worms now. BTW I can post the stats of my Arsenal PM team if you like - check the quality difference! Although R.Barber is possibly good enough to make the grade.....
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Postby Dutch2Matsch » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:08 pm

Great work, Steve.
Please give some hints how your old skool camberman magic works. A lot of people would be interessted to learn more about that...
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Postby filippodb » Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:28 pm

:shock: Amazing work Steve!!!!
What about the statistics of ALL the players?? It could be very useful for a perfect line-up change (or substitution :wink: )
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Postby MJB » Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:06 pm

Good stuff Steve!

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Postby Abyss » Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:34 pm

Do all these attribute impact gameplay? For example, does morale have any impact? What about height? Does it have anything to do with headers? Aggresion? Flair? Resilience? What do these all actually do?
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Postby Stainy » Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:40 pm

`old up !! Fisher the keeper has a morale rating of 226 !!! thought the stats were out of 200 !! heheh
typo? or is this guy really feeling good !
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Postby alkis21 » Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:32 pm

Well done Steve my man!

Abyss wrote:Do all these attribute impact gameplay? For example, does morale have any impact? What about height? Does it have anything to do with headers? Aggresion? Flair? Resilience? What do these all actually do?


This is where my Player Manager knowledge comes up:

-Yes, height is a factor in headers
-Aggression determines how often your player will stay on his feet
-I never knew the existence of flair, it's not mentioned on PM, I guess it was something initially put in the game but never got used.
-Resilience & Morale are not important in Kick Off 2 as they only reflect on stat changes, and the KO2 players do not change stats.. hopefully.
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Postby Robert Swift » Tue Jun 24, 2003 12:43 am

Don't listen to Alkis, he knows shit about KO2!! :lolo:

As someone who spent 800 million years on Player Manager:

Aggression determines how often players will do computer slides
Height affects the winning of headers
Weight is connected with the 'block tackle' - light players are easily pushed over
Resilience is how likely the player will be injured by a foul
Agility (we think) only applies in Player Manager and affects how much the player skills develop at the end of each season
Morale is PM only and drops if the player is excluded from the team, resulting in a transfer request
Flair (we thought) only arrived in FW so it is unexpected to see it in KO2 - don't know of any effect it has on the game

Note that Steve created all of these teams in Player Manager and installed them into KO2. International is in fact a PM Division One team. Note that PM came before KO2 and had an enhanced KO1 game engine as well as PB Dribble.
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Postby Davetoast » Tue Jun 24, 2003 1:33 am

Alkis: -I never knew the existence of flair, it's not mentioned on PM, I guess it was something initially put in the game but never got used.

Swifty: Flair (we thought) only arrived in FW so it is unexpected to see it in KO2 - don't know of any effect it has on the game


As far as I can tell, flair is one of the factors that goes into determining close control, amongst other things. In FW, there are players like Maradona, Gascoigne, Cruyff or Di Stefano, all of these players have a flair rating in the 150 range I think. Matthews has the highest at 159 I think, or Grahn of Sweden is even higher maybe. All of these types of player are much better at doing special things with the ball at their feet and even with their passing and shooting, but they invariably have stats close to 200 for those other skills anyway.
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Postby Steve Camber » Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:55 am

I hope I haven't opened a can of worms which is going to start another crappy KOA war, I only dug up this info out of interest. Just wanted to see how crap Barratts shooting really was, who was the best striker etc

I am against changing the default line-up, so talk of that scares me.

TeamA and TeamB both have identical stats - I was hoping that TeamB had been downgraded, something which could be rectified to remove the A/B difference, but alas no. :(

How did I do it ?
I found the player attribute structure here :
http://www.ko-gathering.com/phpbb2/view ... c&start=46

In WinAUE I saved a snapshot of KO2, loaded a steriod team, saved another snapshot, then compared the difference. Then I could see where the player attributes were located.
I then wrote an EXE to extract a whole team (22 players) to a text file.
I only posted the starting 11 players, but I've got the whole team here.
Sorted.

I'm currently looking into settling Roberts 13 year old dispute ;)

The figures in brackets show "200-Aggression" as a value of 200 means 0 aggression. Apparently!!!
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Postby durban » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:31 am

Steve Camber is the only cool German I know :)

Nice one mate this is another interesting post the sort of thing I love about the KOA :)

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