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... making the KO forums a better place?

Postby gdh82 » Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:59 pm

The idea for this came from Claire's recent thread and the subsequent postings, I've quoted from below.

I'd like this thread to be about our ideas for making the forum a better, more inviting place for koa-ers everywhere. Ely's quote below, I think, contains a lot of good ideas that we could easily adopt here - what do you think ?

I'd encourage a cross-section of views on this subject...after all it is our forum and we make it what it is....

Thowra wrote:Now these forums used to be a happy bubbly place, full of life, opinions, debates, friends, ennemies, arguments and fun. These days, it's like ghost forums... you could hear a pin drop most days!

What happened to Pedro, and to Manix, why do the greats post less (Alkis, Durban, Spyros, Toasty, Rob etc) when was the last time we heard from Rodolfo? Why is it that the enthusiasm generated by the last WC was so easily killed and that this place has become but a mere shadow of it's former self? Have people insulted each other beyond hope? How did everything fragment? What happened to the pages and pages of heartful debates?


gdh82 wrote:It seems that disagreement quickly degenerate into something worse and I think the recent thread about italian football violence is a case in point. As you say, forums should be about different points of view - if we all looked at things the same way, there'd be no reason to have a forum! (Unless you have threads and thread of "what the above said"!!!!)

Ultimately, I guess, any forum is only as good as its members :?:


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JamesHBeard wrote:Hey, I've got an idea.. why don't you try posting some new threads and new topics, maybe discuss some things you find interesting..


Good point.

The only thing that annoys me here is the way that discussions go off-topic really fast, with lots of 'what he said' comments etc. - or topic titles that are misleading or just obscure (but that goes for most forums).. Not very constructive I'm afraid.. :roll:


gdh82 wrote:At the risk of sounding a right killjoy, Menace is right !

I'm not against having a laugh on this forum of course (be dull without it) but how many posts to this thread are actually concerning Claire's point that the forum is slowing dying ?

Do these posts add to the debate or belittle it, do they encourage futher debate or limit it ? :shock: :?:

PS Only constructive posters need reply!!!


Ely wrote:For a forum based on a Football game I'm really surprised by the lack of talk about stuff like the Premiership, League Cup/FA Cup, Champions League and back in the previous year the World Cup.

I also think there's too many 'in jokes' as well, Beckite's Jacket for instance (jeez those are tiring). It's all a bit cliquey, but then it will be with such low numbers of regular posters I guess.

Oh and I hate RTS games so that's me out of 100% of those discussions :-)

As for the threads going off topic easily, that's the same for a lot of forums and unless you have strong willed posters who'll try to bring the topic back on track (like Garry in this one) you'll always get that.

One thing I have seen work on other forums is threads decidated to specific things. So on here for instance Claire can have a Thread called 'Really Bad Jokes' and all of them can live in one thread rather having multiple ones.

On the main forum I post on these days we have huge threads for stuff like;Pictures I've Taken, Girls I fancy, all Xbox 360 Talk, all PS3 Talk, a Junk URL thread (where you post interesting URLs for News Stories or Funny Videos or whatever) and all Football Talk etc. etc.

But that model only works as long as people are aware these type of threads exists which is hard unless you post all the time.
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Postby gdh82 » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:08 pm

I think this thread could prove to be a good barometer of the feeling amongst those who use this forum:

few replies - either couldn't give a sh*t or reluctant to make a post for fear that someone else will take the pi$$ out of it or too offended to bother coming back!

lots of constructive replies - healthy forum, lots of participation, people feel comfortable to air their views and discuss opinions intelligently

I know this is simplistic but you get the idea!
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Postby Robert Swift » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:34 pm

You can't change the content without changing the people.

What I want to know is, are we arguing that the people here are the wrong people?

Clearly, some people think so. They leave. Sometimes, they come back. That's their private decision and not for us to speculate on.

This happens in all forms of human life.

The internet is full of dead forums. There's life in the old KOA yet.
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Postby gdh82 » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:18 pm

Robert Swift wrote:You can't change the content without changing the people. What I want to know is, are we arguing that the people here are the wrong people?


For me the idea of this thread is not a witch hunt nor about saying these are the wrong people. Its about discussing what are some of the bad habits that maybe we all get into, and suggesting better ways of doing things! This thread is merely about making suggestions - no one of course can change anyone else!

And, of course, just because other forums die, doesn't mean we can't try to be proactive about the KOA forum - and discuss making things better.

From Claire's thread I'm not the only one to raise concerns about the state of this place - not that its on its last legs but it could be a lot healthier in my view.

If this thread fall's flat on its face, I've just wasted 10 mins, that's all!

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Fully agree with that, Rob! :) 8)
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Postby JamesHBeard » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:49 am

I have to pick up on one comment from one of my best friends that I met in the KOA.. as I find it bemusing.

I also think there's too many 'in jokes' as well, Beckite's Jacket for instance (jeez those are tiring). It's all a bit cliquey, but then it will be with such low numbers of regular posters I guess.


If I recall, when we finished one of the UK Champs, we all came back to the forum and changed our avatars to muppets, because this was the "joke" at the tournament, everyone calling everyone else muppets... the word in the forums was then "muppet" for a few months...

This really brought some fun to the forum I thought.. :cry:
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Postby Abyss » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:08 am

We are a small community and the hopes of recruiting new members aren't higher as time goes by, since we are also a very specialised community, focused on a specific football game that came out some 17 years ago.

I think this is normal. As long as we have the drive to organize tournaments and even travel to play Kick Off, everything is OK. Thanks to the KOA I have passed some fantastic gaming moments, I have travelled to 4 countries and have met some interesting people. I don't think many internet forums can give you that.
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Postby Freshmaker » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:21 am

I end up with double feelings about this. This topic actually has been debated quite some times in the past. For KO-specific interests, we've got KO-specific forums. For other discussions we've got the bench.

Now, some of us feel the need to be serious in every thing they do/discuss, others like to take the piss. As long as we're not insulting each other I see no harm. "Forcing" the joke-aspect out of the KOA is not such a bad idea.
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Postby JamesHBeard » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:07 am

How about splitting the bench into two seperate groups then..... one for easily offended people and one for straight talk ?
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Postby Ely » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:25 am

JamesHBeard wrote:This really brought some fun to the forum I thought.. :cry:

James mate, I wasn't saying all that because I didn't find it funny, I was purely pointing things out that other less well informed members wouldn't 'get' and that may be a problem if you're wanting to have a thread stay on topic (which occasionally people do want).

Joking about is fine but I can imagine if you start a topic and simply want people to reply on-topic in a less than jokey fashion, things like this can be a pain. It's all about moderation.

It is possible to have a forum with joking threads and serious threads but it does rather rely of either a) Strong Willed Members keeping things in check or the posters understanding the concept of a time and place for some thing (i.e. that picture of the half-naked chick in the Ugly Betty thread is a prime example of such things that could be seen as something that maybe wasn't the best thing to do).
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Postby MJB » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:05 pm

This all sounds like people are taking things too seriously to me.
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Postby Thowra » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:11 pm

I don't think there is a problem with the jokes themselves. Both the Muppet phase and the jacket phase had their funny side. I feel that sometimes the "in jokes" just get used a little too long and become repetitive. I think that the number of people "in" on the jokes will naturally increase their life span. In the case of the Muppets, I recall most people being "in" and it generating hours of amusement. The Jacket, although admittedly funny, was not such a far reaching joke and therefore ran out of steam earlier... perpetuating it longer makes it, in my opinion, less funny and more confusing for noobs.

Then again, that's my opinion, and I am only using examples already cited above as representatives rather than picking on specific topics. We all have a sense of humour, and it's different for each person. I like teasing James about his defeats to me, he hates this... I amuses me, it annoys him to the point of denial... At the end of the day I still like James and consider him my friend and assume that he is still man enough to consider me a friend despite the embarrassment I am obviously generating for him. (it never stops does it ....)

The point is that humour and jokes are essential to the general functioning of this forum, more so many of us here have met each other in the flesh. I appreciate that many of the jokes may be generated off the forums, but these remain essential. Humour holds us together, it give the place a heart, it makes it somewhere that people like to come, puts a smile on our faces... But I agree with the cliquey comments too... And have undoubtedly been guilty of this myself in the past, but at the moment I feel as if there is little of the friendly camaraderie spark left here and that’s what is bothering me…
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Postby gdh82 » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:02 pm

Some really interesting posts above - thanks to those who replied. :)

I agree that the strength of the KOA is the willingness to continue to organise and attend KO2 tourneys.

Forums may be less of a strength though! :wink: Having said this, I don't want to get overly serious about this either (hope others can see I start this thread with good intentions). I don't want to drive away the humour, the banter or the disagreement either. I my slightly concern that sometimes the having a laugh aspect can seem to be at the expense of having a straight discussion. I just think we could have both!

I'm not against jokes within "discussions" it just seems that sometimes the jokes overtake the thread which could (but not always of course) leave the original poster cheesed off. I realise all of this is extremely subjective (one person's joke is another's insult) but if could we all moderate our tendencies to take threads hopelessly off topic ?

To help this along I like both Mark's and James' suggestions - having more places to go could help? Either sub-dividing the bench or creating new forums might provide this. A couple of ideas I've had:

"The Sin Bin" Where a thread goes off-topic and becomes a spat between members e.g Italian Violence becomes You're Racist! Forum members or mods could say if you want to pursue this further then take it to the sin bin so the rest of us can discuss the issues here! ;)

"Just For Fun" - A place for jokes, wind-ups, pi$$ takes again to go (again helping threads stay on topic) (Easily offended should stay away!)

"Non-KO Discussion" (kinda what the bench is now)

I fully realise this is only my suggestions and that even if we had these, they could just as easily be ignored.

Still, I hope this can be seen as constructive suggestion, which may make the forum seem more welcoming, more friendlier to those who use it often and to the passer by?
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Postby MJB » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:11 pm

I seem to have missed something here but I am not a huge poster so I might well have. Please can someone clarify for me?

The comments here are making it out that no one posts anymore and newbies are put off because the forums are full of one liners and in-jokes.

What evidence is there please?

People have had their reasons to leave the KOA and I am guessing it is NOT because of jacket in-jokes (that BTW i have never got but dont let it bother me) OR one-liners. Is that fair comment?

You can't moan at Bench disussions having the tendency to get off topic or be a bit a silly! Thats what they are there for, well they have since I became a member x years ago. Fair enough you should expect tournament/KO2 discussions to be sensible and they usually are.

And I don't see newbies benig put off. Almost instantly when a newbie posts "Hello" some of the KOA are there immediately welcoming them in.
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